Thursday, August 30, 2007

Cry Harder, Red

Red Tory (Martin Ranyer?) bemoans neo-nazi ravings

In a recent post, the seeming mr Martin Rayner of Victoria, BC, bemoans his apparent recent outing by none other than Nexus valued collaborator Werner Patels.

In it, he complains about the ravings of some bizarre Aryan nations freak:

"IS RED TORY A JEW? A FUCKING KIKE? • NIGGERS AND KIKES DONT BELONG IN OUR AMERICAS! SIEG HEIL! DU REICHSTEN HOCHREN!!!! • LOL COMMIE SHITFACE KIKE • IM GONNA FUCKING RAPE YOUR KIKE ASS • AND YOUR MOTHERMMM NICE ASS • I RAPE YOU I FUCK YO MOMMA GOOD AND DEN I SHIT PANTS VERY WELL • NUMBNITS • FUCKTITS • DRYWITS • FARTKITS • QUARKYITS • HELLPITS • FORKLITS • OLDGITS • MOBHITS • EY MAN YOU DONT FUCK WID DA FAMILY MAN YEAH BIG POST YO I IS GONNA SHUT YO KIKE BLOG DOWN NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER JEW JEW • I WILL BECOME YOUR WORST ENEMY, RED COMMIE SHIT KIKE! • YOU CANT STOP ME! I WILL DOG YOU TILL THE DAY YOU DIE!"

Ouch. That is indeed harsh. And unsettling. Yet, I have a similar story of my own to relate, which happens to regard one of my earliest pieces of published work.

It just so happened this piece became the topic of discussion on Majorityrights.com, where, upon joining the discussion I was basically accused of having a poor understanding of their revisionist history. An accusation was even lobbed that I was part of a global zionist conspiracy, but seems to have since been trimmed from the site (along with my assertion that they still couldn't explain away the deaths of even four million Jews -- six million admittedly being a total number for the Holocaust that includes Homosexuals, Gypsies and political prisoners, used in a moment of overzealousness).

The point? This kind of stuff comes with the territory of being a public figure. Either you have the courage to deal with the risks involved, and you're suited to public life, or you don't, and aren't.

It also helps if you aren't intentionally and virulently inflammatory. But whatever works for the "talented" Mr Rayner...

13 comments:

  1. his apparent recent outing by none other than Nexus valued collaborator Werner Patels.
    Now you are in the delusional...

    Apparent "outing" is right. Red has always exchange emails with sane readers... and his "real" email has always been on his site...

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  2. Let me put it you this way, Cherni: I actually have my fair share of doubts as well. But if these doubts pan out to be true, it only gets better... now Red is engaging in identity theft.

    Which is illegal.

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  3. redtory@shaw.ca is not his "real" e-mail address -- after all, it shows his moniker, not his real name, does it?

    Essentially, there is very little anonymity on the Internet. So if you fool around and act like a jerk, be prepared to be hunted down and exposed.

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  4. Patrick,

    I don't understand why there is a need to "out" Red Tory and Canadian Cynic. Just because they don't have the guts to put their names to the things that they write, doesn't mean it's anyones place to do it for them.

    Also, If you were to publish Canadian Cynic's home address, you would only be damaging your own reputation. I blog under my own name and my home address would be pretty easy to find, yet I would still be pretty upset if someone who didn't like what I have to say were to publish it.

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  5. I understand what you're saying, Kevin, and normally, you'd be right.

    But there is one important difference between yourself, Red Tory and Canadian Cynic: you're not a bully.

    I've never been one to stand for bullying, and I have nothing but sheer contempt for people who bully others from behind a veil of anonymity.

    I may not actually post CC's home address on the blog (actually, I promise you I won't), but I'll definitely reveal his name. The best I'll offer him is this: a 60-day clemency period. If he tones it down, stops attacking people, and reduces the amount of risk to himself, he'll be OK. If he keeps it up, I'm going to let him have it. The experience will teach him a valuable lesson.

    He offered no quarter to Wanda Watkins, and she was a bloody innocent. CC has asked for no quarter, and he sure as hell isn't innocent.

    No innocent people will come to harm. I'm not going to release any information of any kind until it is absolutely certain to be fully accurate.

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  6. be prepared to be hunted down and exposed. Hunt me down fuck wad.....

    now Red is engaging in identity theft.
    This cloak and dagger stuff is childish no?

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  7. Well, Cherni, let me put it to you this way:

    I'm not the one concealing my identity.

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  8. I'm not the one concealing my identity.
    Do you have anything but innuendo to go on?

    And, does it really matter? To be quite truthful, I've never felt Red has misrepresented himself and this makes you look a little paranoid.

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  9. Identify theft? What ridiculous charge are making now?

    And Werner, buy a clue. That is my "real" e-mail. It's just another account off the main one with my ISP that I use for non-business purposes.

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  10. Whoa! Can you stop with the misuse of words?
    "I've never been one to stand for bullying, and I have nothing but sheer contempt for people who bully others from behind a veil of anonymity."
    Bully??
    If someone is staying on their own yard--commenting loudly about whatever they wish or not--they aren't bullying you.
    See, bullies walk up to you and push you around. CC sometimes blogs on his site about the mindlessness of other blog writers. But hte point here is that he does so at his blog. He owns it, he writes on it.
    Here's something some of us learned while growing up--if you don't like what someone else wrote--don't read it!
    Stop being a jackass.

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  11. Hi Patrick...

    Just in case your valued collaborator refuses my comment on his recent outing, maybe you will accept it.

    Just fyi, I have never met RT in my life, poor guy! He very generously hosted my blog-pic for me when I first started my blog, because I couldn't figure out how to upload it myself.

    I thought it was a pretty good picture myself, taken shortly after my 60th birthday - 4 years ago - in a darkened (i.e. detail-minimising)room, but I've aged a bit in the intervening years.

    OK, more than a bit!! I'm constantly being offered senior's discounts these days, if that gives you a hint. Dammit!!! (That's grey hair, not blonde.)

    Delightful as it might be to be RT's "significant other", I'm not quite that much of a cougar, and in fact, my own significant other is 66.

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  12. "Identify theft? What ridiculous charge are making now?"

    Well, RT, it's pretty simple: if your real name isn't Martin Rayner, then you're attributing your comments to someone named Martin Rayner.

    Perhaps the person of whom that photograph was actually taken -- if it isn't you.

    Let's just say that after you went back on your own "peace accord" based on extremely dubious circumstances, I don't put that kind of deceptive behaviour past you.


    "Whoa! Can you stop with the misuse of words?
    "I've never been one to stand for bullying, and I have nothing but sheer contempt for people who bully others from behind a veil of anonymity."
    Bully??
    If someone is staying on their own yard--commenting loudly about whatever they wish or not--they aren't bullying you.
    See, bullies walk up to you and push you around. CC sometimes blogs on his site about the mindlessness of other blog writers. But hte point here is that he does so at his blog. He owns it, he writes on it.
    Here's something some of us learned while growing up--if you don't like what someone else wrote--don't read it!
    Stop being a jackass.
    "

    Well, consider this: suppose you're walking down the street, and someone standing on their property starts screaming something offensive at you, insulting you, and hurling stuff at you, hiding behind the legal sanctity of their property.

    That isn't bullying to you? It's bullying to anyone with an understanding of the concept.

    Then again, I'm not in the business of routinely defending bullies.

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