Showing posts with label Bill C-484. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Bill C-484. Show all posts

Monday, April 06, 2009

So Let's Talk About This "Depressing Regularity" Thing

Either pregnant women and unborn children need protection, or they don't

Those who pay any amount of even passing attention to Unrepentant Old Hippie JJ may recall her response to Bill C-484, also known as the Fetal Homicide Bill, or the Unborn Victims of Crime Bill.

For her own part, JJ was against it. She fell in with a broader movement of pro-abortion advocates insisting that such a bill wasn't necessary. Among some of the arguments offered by that movement was that attacks on pregnant women don't happen often enough to warrant special legal protection.

Fast forward to today, when JJ declared her support for a bill in Oklahoma that would allow women to use deadly force in defense of their unborn children:
"I’m absolutely all for people having the right to self-defend, and I unequivocally support the choice of women to carry their pregnancies to term, and to protect themselves doing it. Though being armed and full of rampaging hormones doesn’t sound like the best possible scenario, this law is clearly meant for at-risk women (ie. in bad relationships) so we’re unlikely to see a 'maternity holster' anytime soon. Although it’s disheartening that there’s even a need for such a law, given the Michigan story and the fact that pregnant women are attacked with such depressing regularity, maybe it’s not such a bad thing."
It's an interesting view on the issue that JJ's taken here.

Certainly, there's no reason in the world why women shouldn't be allowed to decide whether or not they'll carry a pregnancy to term -- at least within reasonable limits based on the unborn child's stage of development. And certainly they should be protected from the uninvited intervention of another person.

But one of the pro-abortion arguing points in opposing bill C-484 was that these attacks don't happen frequently enough to warrant passing a special law.

Apparently, according to JJ, they do happen frequently enough to warrant passing a law that would allow women to kill in defense of their unborn children.

It's a head-scratcher, to be certain -- just another hypocritically self-conflictual intellectual self-indulgence that JJ is rapidly becoming known for (things like supporting abortion legislation that would apply to women south of the 49th parallel while vociferously opposing them ot of principle in Canada). It comes down to a very simple question: do pregnant women need protection or not?

JJ -- unlike many of those who joined her in opposing legal protection for pregnant women -- seems to finally admit that they do.

The base silliness of JJ's support for this particular means of protection over the other -- in which a stronger deterrent is provided by criminalizing assaults on unborn children -- appears fully in its abject silliness when one considers the fact that most pregnant women lack the means to defend themselves physically.

Pregnancy is known to be very physically taxing on women. Many pregnant women have difficulty performing ordinary tasks due to the added burden of carrying their child. Most of them would find it more difficult still to exercise lethal force against an assailant.

Not to mention the fact that some men prove more creative in terminating a pregnancy than resorting to physical violence. Consider the case of Gary Bourgeois, who secretly administered a toxic ulcer medication to his pregnant girlfriend while she slept.

Bourgeois' girlfriend had chosen not to have an abortion. His act -- which his sleeping girlfriend was evidently incapable of responding to, with deadly force or otherwise -- was an act of premeditated murder, for which he got off with a sentence of one year in prison because Canadian law doesn't recognize that men like Bourgeois can premeditate murder on the unborn.

Yet JJ seems to feel comfortable supporting a law that would legalize an option that many pregnant women realistically do not have because "the bill doesn’t seem to make abortion any less legal" (bill C-484 exlplicitly forbade its application in cases of abortion), "doesn’t declare the fetus has any civil rights" (protection from violence isn't a civl right, defined as rights imparted specifically to the citizen, protection from violence is a legal right most societies impart even to inanimate property and animals), and "couldn’t be used as a defense for some anti-abortion nut who shoots a doctor" (nor could Bill C-484).

She goes on to explain that "Unlike the typical 'Unborn Victims of Crime' acts, this bill doesn’t focus on the fetus and allude to it as an individual victim, but rather centers on the mother’s right to protect it."

Yet JJ's support of this law clearly overestimates the average pregnant woman's ability to defend herself or her unborn child. It was largely due to the vulnerability of pregnant women -- and, obviously, their unborn children -- that the additional deterrent was called for.

But god forbid that the law offer protection to pregnant women and their unborn children under any terms other than those approved by the pro-abortion lobby -- even if those terms provide scant protection, before or after the act.

Sunday, November 16, 2008

Let's Give the Crazy Lady What She Wants, part Deux

"Bring it!!" she says again. And so it shall be brought

Poor Unrepentant Old Hippie JJ. At some point, one would think she would learn that some people will interpret "bring it!!" as a challenge.

Some may remember JJ's previous "bring it!!" challenge and her overwhelmingly underwhelming response to it.

But apparently old hippies never learn, once again insisting that the proponents of Bill C-434 and its successor initiative, resolution P-207, admit that it offers no protection to pregnant women.

Since the assertion itself isn't true, JJ would likely find it difficult to provide an example of the resolution's proponents admitting to it.

So, once again the Nexus will answer JJ's challenge, and pose questions that -- just you wait -- she'll refuse to answer. Questions such as the following:

1. Can you define a deterrent, and are you aware of how it serves to protect people from crime?

2. Can you explain how a law like Bill C-484, or a law like the one advocated in proposition P-207 will criminalize abortion considering that such laws have failed to have this effect in the United States?

3. How would you like to try to explain to people how reasonable conceptions of fetal rights will lead to a wholesale criminalization of abortion considering that it has failed to do so in the United States?

If JJ's response to the last time the Nexus responded to her own challenge is any indication of what to expect, one should expect they already have the answer to these questions:

Certainly, JJ could answer these questions, but she probably won't.

Few Nexus readers should bother holding their breath waiting for JJ to answer in good faith. After all, if there's anything one knows about old hippies it's that they never change, they just try real hard to adjust.

Tuesday, August 26, 2008

Ken Epp Stands His Ground

And he won't back down

With an election call seemingly only days away and spurious opposition to Bill C-484 -- the Unborn Victirms of Crime bill -- stubbornly refusing to abate, the Conservative government is moving to try to disperse what it seems to fear is a coming storm.

"We've heard criticism from across the country, including representatives from the medical community, that Mr. Epp's bill, as it is presently drafted, could be interpreted as instilling fetal rights," announced Justice Minister Rob Nicholson. "Our government will not reopen the debate on abortion."

Bill C-484 would, indeed, introduce fetal rights. However, because of the fact that the bill contains an explicit clause forbidding its use in cases of abortion or against any act (of commission or omission) of the mother, those rights would not supercede a preggnant woman's right to choose an abortion. The fetal reights recognized by Bill C-484 would begin and end with an unborn child's right to be protected from crime.

Naturally, the fundamentally intellectually-dishonest pro-abortion lobby refuses to acknowledge this.

Nicholson has promised new legislation that would require judges to consider a woman's pregnancy during the course of sentencing. Right now judges can, and often do, but law still cannot recognize the tendency of many offenders -- such as Jared Baker and Gary Bourgeois -- to target unborn children intentionally.

Fortunately, however, Bill C-484 is not a government bill. Rather, it's Elk Island MP Ken Epp's private member's bill. He isn't obligated to withdraw it, and it's the last thing he plans to do.

"I definitely will not be withdrawing my bill," Epp announced. "They're quite different. I don't intend to let up."

If Nicholson is looking for an easy way out, he isn't going to find it. His government will either have to stay the course with Bill C-484 and endure the (actually very necessary) debate over abortion, or defeat its own member's bill, as it did with Leon Benoit's Bill C-291.

Ken Epp is well within his rights to stand his ground will Bill C-484 and not allow the government to introduce a watered-down bill protecting the unborn. This bill has passed two readings already -- in a parliament devoid of ideologically-grounded party discipline, this bill very much could pass.

Yet the Conservative government seems to be intent on ducking the abortion/fetal rights debate in the name of winning an election it isn't supposed to be calling in the first place.

Fortunately, Ken Epp isn't backing down. Nor are the other supporters of Bill C-484.

Friday, August 22, 2008

Nothing to Say About a Lot

Dear Ken Epp,

Aw, hell. I'm just going to go ahead and call you Ken.

By now you may or may not have read the letter Lulu, the perpetually-crazed matriarch of the Canadian Cynic Temple of Sycophantic Groupthink, wrote to you about Bill C-484.

And I'm imagining that if that is the case then right about now, you and I must be thinking approximately the same thing.

How someone could build their entire objection to the Bill in question on a refusal to listen and somehow actually be proud of that really is almost inconceivable to the rational mind.

But, then again, these aren't rational minds we're dealing with, are we?

After all, the "Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada's false claims about Bill C-484". Is a fairly stolid rebuttal of the misinformation the pro-abortion lobby is using to promote their extreme agenda in regards to the Unborn Victims of Crime Act.

And their response to it is precisely what? "Lalalalalalala... I can't hear yooooouuuu". If one couldn't rest assured they were dealing with grown adults as opposed to pre-schoolers, one would wonder.

After all, it's remarkable how so fundamental fact as the fact that Bill C-484 contains an extremely explicit clause stipulating that the Bill may not be applied to abortion, or any other act (of commission or omission) by the mother is entirely ignored by these people.

Yet they somehow manage to produce such fallacious bombshells as "You can commission and release all the official documentation in the world, Ken, but it will never change the fact that C-484 is a back door attempt to recriminalize abortion in Canada."

Apparently, despite the fact that the legislation expressly forbids the use of the bill as such, Bill C-484 is "a back door attempt to recriminalze abortion". And nothing changes that. Apparently, not even the facts.

How can one deal with such people, Ken? Eventually, one has to realize that you cannot deal honestly with people incapable of honesty, and cannot deal logically with people incapable of logic.

Unfortunately, however, your political opposition is willing to do so.

Presumably, mr Dion has read the legislation in question, and understands fully that the legislation explicitly stiupulates that it may not be used in cases where abortion is involved. Yet, he wants to take it as a golden opportunity to rally Canada's pro-abortion lobby to his side, and emulating Paul Martin's failed 2006 election gambit in the process.

Meanwhile, he's overlooking an important fact:

Numerous members of his caucus voted in favour of Bill C-484.

Will he ask Raymond Bonin to publicly discuss his views on abortion? How about Derek Lee? Paul Steckle? How about the star of the Liberal attempts to smear Brian Mulroney, Paul Szabo? Or any of the other Liberal MPs who voted in favour of BIll C-484?

I'm not holding my breath on that one, Ken. Somehow, I doubt you're holding yours, either.

Once again, Ken, these are facts. Just as the "fact" that Bill C-484 is a backdoor attack on abortion "rights". Despite the fact that the bill itself forbids its usage as such.

It's an incredible age we're living in, I think -- an age where rhetoric formulated in express willful ignorance of facts has somehow become fact, and the facts themselves apparently something else.

All the same, Ken, we really can't let the bastards get us down. We have to remember what is at stake.

See, Ken, people like Lulu and her cohorts have long ago convinced themselves they're entitled to ideological dominance on the topic of abortion -- so much so to the extent that they honestly believe that no one who disagrees with them should be allowed to voice their opinion on the matter.

That's what the opposition to Bill C-484 is about. It isn't about abortion -- it's about trying to prevent anyone who doesn't agree with the extreme agenda of the pro-abortion lobby doesn't even dream of attempting to even discuss the matter, let alone ever try to act according to their convictions -- in this case, that those who murder unborn children in the course of murdering or assaulting their mothers should be punished for it.

A wondrous age, indeed, Ken.

But not all is lost. After all, polls have consistently indiciated that the majority of Canadians favour protection for unborn life. So long as that remains a fact -- an actual, honest-to-god fact, rather than rhetoric cavorting as fact -- an end-run around the extremists and around the politicians who are so eager to pander to them will remain possible.

Which is precisely what you have to do, Ken. But your work is cut out for you.

It will be hard work, but stay the course Ken.

Yours in solidarity,
-Patrick Ross

Monday, July 14, 2008

Well, Let's Give the Crazy Lady What She Wants

JJ says "bring it". Time to do precisely that

Sometimes, the only thing more amusing than dimwits who lie to try to cover up their mistakes are ideologues who can't even comprehend the very idea of possibly being wrong in the first place.

Such would be the case with JJ, the crazed proprietor of Unrepentant Old Hippie, who recently offered up this amusing little gem:

"In marathoning it's called "hitting the wall". I don't know if there's a blogging equivalent, but after 10 days of frenzied blogging in the wake of Dr. M's OC appointment and the barrage of batshit bullshit that followed, I was suddenly exhausted. I couldn't stand to read or even think about one more word of the steaming loads of bullshit being dumped by the "busload" on blogs and in the media over this topic and the tangential abortion issue. I was tired, man.

Normally bullshit is great incentive to blog -- it shouldn't be ignored because there's a chance that some unsuspecting person out there might believe it. Bullshit should be shot down whenever and wherever it's found and its sanctimonious, stupid and self-righteous propagators ridiculed with gusto. But these people are first and foremost propaganda-bots who never budge from their script, even in the face of evidence that contradicts them. In advertising we used to call it "Wearing down their resistance with repetition". The same kind of psychology is at work with anti-abortion propagandists -- knowing full well that the numbers aren't on their side, their only hope is to wear down resistance with an endless loop of lies. To literally exhaust people into seeing things their way.
"
After taking a short time-out to trot out the latest "anti-choice outrage" she disagrees with, JJ ends her post with an invitation to any and all who would dare disagree with her. "Bring it!" she insists.

Well, OK. Only if we really have to.

Because ironically, this could very much be treated as one of those instances in which a person, searching for that perfect epithet to hurl at their opponents, describes themselves most acurately.

In this case, it revolves around JJ's insistence that those who disagree with her are "first and foremost propaganda-bots who never budge from their script, even in the face of evidence that contradicts them."

Considering that refusing to acknowledge evidence that contradicts her is a privilege JJ has indulged herself in at length, it's impossible to take her seriously on this particular point.

But despite all the extremist craziness that has transpired before -- such as defending an assault on a 69-year-old man for expressing anti-abortion views -- JJ deserves an opportunity to prove herself. The following is an email sent to JJ in response to her little diatribe today:

"JJ,

I read with some interest your recent blog post "On Bullshit and Breaks", and really couldn't help but agree that, yes, the whole Morgentaler controversy SHOULD be given a rest. After all, it isn't as if this is the nobel prize we're talking about here.

But I couldn't help but read, with some amusement, your comments regarding your anti-abortion opponents. Most notably:

"Bullshit should be shot down whenever and wherever it's found and its sanctimonious, stupid and self-righteous propagators ridiculed with gusto. But these people are first and foremost propaganda-bots who never budge from their script, even in the face of evidence that contradicts them. In advertising we used to call it "Wearing down their resistance with repetition". The same kind of psychology is at work with anti-abortion propagandists -- knowing full well that the numbers aren't on their side, their only hope is to wear down resistance with an endless loop of lies. To literally exhaust people into seeing things their way."

I found this statement to be rather ironic and amusing considering that, if anything, it describes yourself and your allies in the pro-abortion lobby as well as anyone else.

In particular, your characterization of them as "propaganda-bots who never budge from their script, even in the face of evidence that contradicts them".

In this vein, I'd like to "bring it" by positing the following facts, to see if we can get you, yourself, to budge from that precious script of yours:

1. You, like virtually all pro-abortion activists opposed to bill C-484, insist that it's nothing more than a back-door attempt to criminalize abortion. Yet fetal homicide acts are in effect in numerous states in the United States. Yet in none of those states has abortion been declared illegal.

2. You, like virtually all pro-abortion activists, oppose any attempt to legislate when an abortion can or cannot be sought on demand (without relevant health-related concerns), often insisting that such legislation would be nothing more than a back-door attempt to criminalize abortion. Yet France, Germany, Norway and Sweden (amongst other countries) have legislated a 20-week limit after which a woman must have medical concerns in order to obtain an abortion. Abortion has yet to be criminalized in any of these countries.

3. You, like virtually all pro-abortion activists, insist that legislation such as that described in point number two is unnecessary because no doctor would perform a late-term abortion without sufficient medical reason due to the procedure being judged to be unethical. Yet you oppose legislation that would legally protect the right of such doctors to refuse to perform that procedure for ethical, moral or religious reasons.

4. You, like virtually all pro-abortion activists continue to insist that you are not, in fact, pro-abortion, but rather pro-choice. Yet you, like virtually all pro-abortion activists, oppose the aforementioned legislation that would protect freedom of choice for doctors who hold opinions regarding abortion that differ from your own.

These are dilemmas that have never been addressed adequately by any member of the pro-abortion lobby, least of all yourself.

In fact you, like virtually all members of the pro-abortion lobby, have stuck very adamantly to the positions outlined here despite the fact they have never been adequately defended. Not much unlike "propaganda-bots who never budge from their script, even in the face of evidence that contradicts them".

Considering the position you've taken today, I'm hoping you'll finally find it in yourself to address these various dilemmas.

You may feel free to do so in a response email (but should understand before doing so that I intend to post such a response to a subsequent post on my own blog in order to outline your response), in a post on your own blog, or even in the comments section of The Nexus.

You've asked those who disagree with you to "bring it". I've done precisely that. Hopefully, you'll put your money where your mouth is.

Regards,
-Patrick Ross
"
Well, she did say to "bring it".

Now we'll have to wait and see if she's actually up to her own challenge on this one. Stay tuned.

Wednesday, July 02, 2008

On The Fine Art of Jumping to Conclusions...

...And the notion of "Subversion"

The average day would seem all but incomplete without another typical offering of seething lunacy from the denizens of the Sycophantic Groupthink Temple and their preening stooges.

In this case, the matter comes back to a topic that should be considered predictable in the days following Dr Henry Morgentaler's controversial appointment to the Order of Canada -- Conservative MP Ken Epp's Bill C-484.

By their very nature, controversial moves draw controversial comments. So it's little surprise that the perennially crazed Lulu, the assiduously vicious Galloping Beaver's Dave and Unrepentant Old Hippie's JJ -- who, as Nexus readers will recall, is supportive of assaults on aging anti-abortion activists -- jumped all over comments in question, as reported in the Globe and Mail:

"'I think it's a sorry day when they give that man the Order of Canada … He's not deserving of it. What has the man contributed to this nation?' asked Conservative MP Art Hanger. 'Apart from providing a so-called service which I don't believe should be even offered in the nation, but is unfortunately, because we don't have a law governing the taking of life of the unborn.'"
While destined to be inflated into a greater controversy than they should otherwise entail, Hangar's comments aren't that uncommon. In fact, they're very typical of the short-sighted and small-minded opponents of abortion who seem to believe that all the problems associated with unplanned or unwanted pregnancies will magically go away if only abortion were simply outlawed.

But, as one should typically expect, Lulu, JJ and Dave want to take issue with the very idea of "a law governing the taking of life of the unborn". Lulu goes so far as to describe it as "subvert[ing] abortion rights in Canada".

Consider the following tirade from JJ -- the only one of the three of any actual substance:

"Let's parse this little pearl of wisdom.

Hanger, clearly a fetus fetishist, is against the award being given to Dr. Morgentaler because Dr. M has provided abortion services. Further, Hanger states that abortion shouldn't be "even offered" in Canada, but that it "unfortunately is" because "we don't have a law governing the taking of life of the unborn", a clear nod to Bill C-484.

Got that? Shorter Art Hanger: "Abortion is only available because we don't have a law like Bill C-484."
"
Now, if only that were the case. But the simple fact of the matter is that 37 American states have enacted fetal homicide bills, bills similar to -- but possessing differences from -- Bill C-484. In none of those states has abortion become unavailable.

And furthermore, while Hanger's support of Bill C-484 certainly makes it perfectly reasonable to suspect that he may have had C-484 in his thoughts at the time of his comments, JJ and friends predictably make another grievous error in logic: that of assuming that Hanger is referring to C-484.

After all, it isn't as if theren't other ways of regulating the termination of unborn life.

To start off with, one only needs consider the continuing debate about how late into a pregnancy is too late to procure an abortion -- consider the case in Britain, where the most recent abortion-related controversy isn't whether there would be any limits at all, but rather whether Britain would maintain its current 24-week limit (no abortion on demand after 24 weeks), or reduce it to 16 weeks. British MPs opted to stay with 24 weeks.

As it turns out, Britain's legislation governing abortion is the most liberal in all of Europe. In France and Germany the limit is 12 weeks. In Norway and Sweden, the limit is 18 weeks.

Abortion certainly isn't at risk of disappearning in any of these countries -- three of them amongst the most liberal nations in all the world, let alone Europe.

In light of such facts, it must be considered that for Lulu, JJ and Dave to insist that such a feat would be accomplished here if any laws governing terminating unborn life were enacted is nothing more or less than shrill hyperbole beyond account.

JJ herself also seems to have her fair share of difficulties with the definition of what is and is not an admission:

"That's the first time I've seen an MP admit, openly and on the record, that Bill C-484 would affect abortion rights at all, let alone nullify them. I wonder if Artie realizes he's making a liar out of his fellow Conservative MP Ken Epp, who's long insisted Bill C-484 has nothing to do with abortion"
Considering that Hangar failed to mention C-484 by name, and instead commented on Canada's lack of legislation on an issue that has been legislated on in nearly every other country in the western world, one must also dismiss this particular claim as shrill hypberbole.

The legislation in the United States, Britain, France, Germany, Norway and Sweden have yet to result in an outright criminalization of abortion.

The sad fact about the matter, however, is that Canada's pro-abortion activists must know this -- they simply have to -- to be so woefully under-informed in regards to their own pet issue simply could not help but undermine the credibility of their entire movement.

So one may, in the end, be forced to recognize that perhaps the extreme positions being struck by these individuals may not simply be the result of naivete or misinformation. Their arguments are all too often being advanced under what one cannot help but regard as willful and deliberate dishonesty.

But that dishonesty is nothing new. To top it all off, it almost remains comforting to note that the most extreme leftists Canada has to offer have yet to lose their unique gift for hypocrisy:

"(Slightly off-topic, there's a poll on Dr. Morgentaler on the same page as that Globe & Mail article I linked to. You know what to do.)"
Of course, one almost wonders what to think of this when measured against the unique amount of whining and crying Canada's extremist left have engaged in regarding the so-called "freeping" of online polls by Canadian right-wingers. Then again, one is hardly shocked to find that -- as with so many other things -- they think it's perfectly acceptable when they themselves do it.

But, in the end, one actually knows what to think of it: it's simply the same dishonesty on a different day.

Monday, May 19, 2008

Unrepentant Old Hippie: Reporting From the Land of Oz

Opponents to Bill C-484 continue to live in a fantasy world

One really has to hand it to Canada's pro-abortion lobby: they really are determined to live in a fantasy world, and nothing -- nothing -- can shake them out of it.

Readers of the Nexus may recall some recent flights of fantasy from Joyce Arthur, the coordinator of the Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada, wherein Arthur promoted hysteria surrounding the Bill.

In a post today, JJ -- also known as the Unrepentant Old Hippie -- chooses to indulge herself in her own flight of pure fantasy, in which she suggests that, by golly, proponents of Bill C-484 just can't explain how Bill C-484 would protect pregnant women:

"Oh, I'm boiling over now. Yeoww! I just read an editorial that ran a few days ago in the Ottawa Citizen, written by MP Ken Epp, sponsor of the nefarious Bill C-484 (aka the Kicking Abortion's Ass bill). In the article, Epp wondered why pro-choicers would be so anxious about his harmless little Kicking Abortion's Ass bill. He huffed:

"There is something seriously wrong with our system when the so-called "right" to end a pregnancy takes away another pregnant woman's right to have her wanted baby protected in law."

Fetus fetishists foamed and frothed and cheered, and who could blame them -- that's one of the greatest PR slogans since "Coke Is It". Short, emotive and completely devoid of substance. That's why those who support this odious bill are never able to respond when asked to elaborate on just how Bill C-484 protects a woman and/or her fetus. No substance, no answer forthcoming."

Oh, no?

Perhaps it would shock JJ to find out that the -- extremely simple -- answer to that question has been provided. In fact, it's been provided right here:

"If individuals like [Gary] Bourgeois had to worry about facing charges related to crimes against two victims, the deterrent would be that much stronger.

What, after all, would make a stronger deterrent: a few extra years in jail for crimes against a single victim? Or (providing that consecutive sentencing is instituted) 26 years for crimes against two victims?
"

And here:

"to pretend that Bill C-484 will do nothing to reduce violence ignores the very principles upon which criminal law protects society: punishment, rehabilitation and deterrent.

Under current law, an individual who kills an unborn child without killing the mother will be charged with aggravated assault at worst. Under Bill C-484, that individual would be charged with murder, which covers a much higher penalty, and thus a greater deterrent. It certainly won't prevent all violence against pregnant women and their unborn children, but it will be a start.
"

This principle remains rather simple: in Canada, aggravated assault carries a maximum sentence of 14 years.

Murder, on the other hand, carries a maximum sentence of life in prison. First degree murder, in particular, carries a penalty of an automatic life sentence with no eligibility of parole for 25 years.

Under Bill C-484, an individual who attacks a pregnant woman and kills her child without killing her would be charged with at least a count of aggravated assault (against the mother) and murder (to whatever degree applicable) against her unborn child.

Thus, the deterrent is much stronger.

This particular point really uncovers the implicit irony in JJ's argument: she insists that no proponent of Bill C-484 has explained how the bill would help protect women -- a claim that is categorically false.

"Here's the substance, baby, the meat of the matter: Bill C-484 does nothing, diddly, squat, nada to protect a woman's wanted baby, and any rhetoric about the "protection" this bill provides is nothing but a steaming load of bullshit of the highest order. All C-484 does, and all it was ever meant to do, is give the fetus post-mortem recognition as a victim of a crime. From there it's a short hop to fetal personhood rights, and then the contentious issue of whose rights trump in the event of an unwanted pregnancy."

Yet, JJ and her ilk have yet to explain to anyone how the bill wouldn't protect women, and have yet to explain how some of their propositions -- in particular, universal child care -- would.

Furthermore, in the United States, 37 states have enacted Fetal Homicide Bills, and they have yet to lead to a wholesale outlawing of abortion as the pro-abortion movement insists that it would.

But that's the appeal of living in a fantasy world: one can pretend that such simple facts aren't so -- a luxury individuals like JJ wouldn't enjoy if they were to wake up to the real world.

Sunday, May 18, 2008

Joyce Arthur Continues Down the Yellow Brick Road

Abortion Rights Coalition coordinator continues to peddle hysteria, disinformation, false choice

Ever since the debate surrounding Bill C-484 -- the unborn victims of crime bill -- has intensified, one thing that has stood the test of time is the pro-abortion lobby's refusal to engage in honest debate on the topic.

For her own part, the Coordinator of the Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada (and self-Googler) Joyce Arthur has continued to take her message to the places where it will receive the least possible scrutiny -- in this case, an article in Edmonton's Vue Weekly.

The article starts off rather predictably:

"In March, a new law that gives fetuses legal personhood passed second reading in the House of Commons. This bill threatens both abortion rights and the rights of women in general."

Arhur certainly wants her readers to believe so. What follows is nothing more than a folly of hysteria, disinformation and false choice.

"Bill C-484, the 'Unborn Victims of Crime Act,' creates a separate offence for injuring or killing a fetus when a pregnant woman is attacked. The language of the bill is unprecedented, basically transforming fetuses and embryos into persons with rights. The bill has a clause that specifically negates the Criminal Code definition of 'human being.' Currently, a child becomes a human being when it has exited the birth canal alive, but Bill C-484 says this definition is not a defence for injuring or killing a fetus. In other words, the fetus is a human being under Bill C-484."

Arthur is, unfortunately, right about this. The Canadian criminal code arbitrarily states that an unborn child is not a person until it is born alive.

That law is written. However, just because a law is written doesn't mean it's right or just.

Canadian law has adhered to other arbitrary definitions of personhood before. In particular, Canadian law once only recognized wealthy white individuals with penises as persons (read: property-owning white males).

It took long, hard agitation on behalf of various "radicals" such as Nellie McClung and Carrie Derrick in order to change that unjust legal issue.

Ironically, it's taking long and hard agitation on behalf of others, now being dismissed as "radicals" (as if radicalism is now such a bad thing) who would likely insist they're anything but radical.

"The bill does contain an exemption for “lawful” abortion, and exempts pregnant women themselves from prosecution for harming their fetuses."

It's good to hear the pro-abortion lobby finally acknowledge this, but unfortunately, they've only insisted on engaging in protracted rhetorical gymnastics in order to argue around this simple fact.

"However, the bill sets a very dangerous precedent because it can be used as authority to give more rights to fetuses in new contexts. For example, legislators can cite the act to justify re-criminalizing abortion. Judges could interpret other laws meant for protecting children to compel pregnant women to meet a standard of care for their fetuses."

Of course, those people who are actually familiar with the bill itself know this to be untrue.

Certainly, legislators could attempt to cite the bill as justification for re-criminalization of abortion -- something an admittedly disturbing number of grassroots social conservatives support -- but they would still have to pass a law to actually recriminalize abortion, which would have to pass not only through Parliament (in itself an unlikely feat), but also through several committees (a doubly unlikely feat), and the Senate (something almost entirely implausible).

Any Judges who felt so compelled certainly could try to interpret other laws in such a way -- but they could not use Bill C-484 in order to do it, because it explicitly exempts any act of omission or commission on behalf of the mother.

Even if a Judge did try to set such a precedent, it would still have to pass through several appeals -- including, inevitably, one before the Supreme Court.

The likelihood of such a ruling surviving is extremely slim. Not only did the Supreme Court of Canada set the precedent that fetuses do not qualify as persons until they exit the birth canal, but Canadian courts have consistently set precedents that are alarmingly dismissive of the victimization of the unborn child.

If Bill C-484 really does pose such an imminent threat to women, that threat certainly won't come about as a result of the acts of legislators or courts.

As for Arthur's point about compelling women to "meet a standard of care for their fetuses" (read: unborn children), one would wonder why Arthur and her ilk are so opposed to something as implicitly reasonable as that.

"So-called “fetal homicide” laws in the United States have been used primarily to target pregnant women—not third parties as the laws intended. Hundreds of American women have been arrested under fetal homicide laws, or under child endangerment laws that cite a fetal homicide law as authority. Most of these women are poor minority women, and have drug or alcohol abuse problems. But some women have also been charged with murder after suffering a stillbirth, in one case after not following a doctor’s recommendation to have a Caesarean section. Is this the road we want to go down in Canada?"

Once again, all of this falsely assumes that Canadian law operates according to the same nuances as American law. Simply not so.

Beyond that, many of the cases sited by the pro-abortion lobby in support of this point are promoted under extremely dubious interpretations.

In most of these cases, the women charged and prosecuted were either knowingly and willingly using drugs or alcohol while pregnant -- something that, quite frankly, Canadian law should address.

In one particular cited case from 1973, Claudia Tucker chose to shoot herself in the abdomen in order to terminate an eight month pregnancy. She (a mother of two) would later claim she didn't know she was pregnant until after it was too late to get an abortion. But in the United States women are allowed to seek abortions until their pregnancy has reached 23 weeks.

It's impossible to believe that a woman pregnant twice previously wouldn't know the signs of pregnancy until it was too late.

And this is only one example of the extreme intellectual dishonesty under which Joyce Arthur and like minded pro-abortion zealots have resorted to in order to push their agenda.

"Bill C-484 conflicts not only with the Criminal Code definition of human being, but with important legal precedents. The Supreme Court of Canada has decisively ruled in several cases that fetuses are not legal persons, and a woman and her fetus are 'physically one.' We cannot compromise women’s established constitutional rights in order to give rights to fetuses. Creating a legal separation between a pregnant woman and her fetus has tragic and punitive results. For example, pregnant women in the US will forego pre-natal care completely if they fear arrest for drug abuse."

In the same vein, however, for generations British Common law treated women and children as the property of their husbands. Because the British Constitution is unwritten and exists only in the form of various legal precedents, emancipating the legal status of women from their husbands very much did compromise what was considered a Constitutional right of British men -- and Canadian men as well, seeing as how the Canadian constitution wasn't repatriated until 1982.

Very few proper-thinking people will pretend that the lack of legal recognition of women as persons wasn't unjust. To claim it's any less unjust to explicitly define other human beings as "not persons" is an absolute embarrassment to the social tradition of feminism.

Perhaps such mothers will decline to seek pre-natal care in order to dodge responsibility for the harm they're doing their children. But law should still have mechanisms in place to take children from such clearly unfit parents.

"We all want to protect pregnant women from violence, but this bill is the wrong tool, and unnecessary. Judges already have the discretion to apply harsher penalties in these cases, and they have done so. But what’s really needed are substantive measures to prevent domestic violence, including more supports for abused women, more public education and better enforcement of existing criminal laws against violence."

But, as already shown, not only does the law not recognize the second victim. Considering that -- as the Olivia/Lane Talbot (Jr) case shows us -- unborn children can be targeted quite deliberately, it is simply logically remiss to pretend an unborn child can't be a victim.

What Joyce Arthur is actually proposing here is a false choice. She suggests that Canadian law can either prosecute crimes committed against unborn children -- and if they can be deliberately targeted (as the Gary Bourgeois case also confirms) they can be victims -- or address domestic abuse issues.

But this is a false choice because Canadian law faces no such law -- it can (and should) do both.

"We need a range of equality-advancing programs and policies that would help women leave abusive relationships, such as measures to reduce poverty, racism and economic inequality, as well as a childcare program. But these are all the things that the Harper government is not doing, or has reduced or taken away outright."

Certainly, these are all things that Arthur must believe Canadians need. Some of them (poverty reduction measures, racism reduction, and assisting women in leaving abusive relationships certainly are) but how some of these things -- particularly child care -- would help reduce crimes committed against pregnant women and, by extension, their unborn children, Arthur would have to elaborate on more than a little.

"Prime Minister Harper promised that a Conservative government would not legislate on abortion, but this is exactly what is happening, not just with Bill C-484, but with two other Conservative private member bills introduced last fall. Bill C-338 would re-criminalize abortion by prohibiting abortions after 20 weeks gestation. Bill C-537 would guarantee the 'right' of medical personnel to refuse to provide medical care for religious reasons, which would mostly restrict women’s ability to access contraception and abortion care."

First off, however, recent polls have found that 72% of Canadians favour some regulation of abortion. A previous poll found that 64% of Canadians support legally protecting the fetus before birth (although they disagreed about at what point of the pregnancy this protection would begin).

Furthermore, Arthur once again chooses to discard honesty in order to promote her argument. Putting a time limit in place of abortion would actually put Canada in line with other countries where abortion limits have been put in place, yet have failed to result in an outright criminalization (or re-criminalization) of abortion.

But Arthur's opposition to legislation such as Bill C-537 really shows what the issue is about for Canada's "pro-choice" movement, and it certainly isn't about choice. If the issue were really about choice, they would support the right of physicians to not perform procedures they find ethically objectionable.

To pretend that such a bill would limit access to contraception is specious at best and facetious at worst. The bill would do nothing to limit a woman's access to other doctors -- doctors willing to prescribe contraception as sought -- nor would it prevent access to contraception in a day and age when condoms are available in virtually every corner store, and in the bathrooms of (often less-than-reputable) gas stations.

"Bill C-484 is a radical bill because it positions the fetus as a woman’s co-equal. By focusing on fetuses, not injured pregnant women, the bill is offensive to the full humanity of all women, not just pregnant women. The not-so-hidden agenda of the bill is to recognize the 'rights of the unborn' so that abortion can be restricted in the future. Indeed, fetal personhood is a long-standing objective of the anti-abortion movement."

Frankly, the idea that fetuses cannot be allowed to have any rights of any form is offensive to the full -- and indisputable -- humanity of unborn children. The very full -- and indisputable -- humanity that the pro-abortion (not pro-choice) movement moves rhetorical heaven and earth to deny when they dismiss fetuses as "nothing but a clump of cells", as opposed to the human life that it is.

"Only about 20 organizations across Canada officially support Bill C-484, and every last one of them is right-wing, religious and/or anti-abortion.

Not a single mainstream women’s group supports the bill. But the 100 groups opposing the bill so far are diverse: they include anti-violence groups, women’s shelters, medical organizations, legal associations, drug policy groups, labour unions, anti-racist groups and a broad range of women’s groups. None of these groups were even consulted on the bill before it was introduced by a Conservative, anti-abortion MP. They oppose the bill now because they know it won’t work to reduce violence against women. They already know that the best way to protect fetuses is to guarantee the rights and safety of pregnant women, because when a pregnant woman is safe, so is her fetus.
"

Arthur is again indulging herself in protracted intellectual dishonesty. To pretend that the opposition to Bill C-484 is more legitimate because it comes from such "diverse" groups is a specious claim.

Not only do the varying groups that Arthur cites not truly represent a diversity of opinion on any particular topic, but often they possess significant overlap of membership.

But to pretend that Bill C-484 will do nothing to reduce violence ignores the very principles upon which criminal law protects society: punishment, rehabilitation and deterrent.

Under current law, an individual who kills an unborn child without killing the mother will be charged with aggravated assault at worst. Under Bill C-484, that individual would be charged with murder, which covers a much higher penalty, and thus a greater deterrent. It certainly won't prevent all violence against pregnant women and their unborn children, but it will be a start.

No one rejects the idea that Canada needs stronger laws to address domestic abuse. But to pretend that the fruits of ideology could supplant one of the basic underlying principles of criminal law is utter folly.

To pretend that Canadian law should cave in to hysteria, disinformation and false choice is the height of such folly.

Saturday, April 26, 2008

Joyce Arthur and the Yellow Brick Road

Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada head longs for the good ol' days in Oz

Over the past several months, one has heard the litany of complaints over Edmonton-Sherwood Park MP Ken Epp's private members' bill, Bill C-484 -- the Unborn Victims of Crime bill.

According to Canada's pro-abortion lobby, the bill is an outrage -- nothing but a back-door "attack" on women's abortion rights.

Unfortunately for Joyce Arthur and the Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada, many opponents of the bill have reached this conclusion by intentional misreadings of the bill in question -- often refusing to acknowledge the existence of entire passages of the bill that don't fit the narrative they're so desperate to push.

Like many demagogues, Arthur has often pushed this particular narrative by promoting it in the places where it will receive the least possible scrutiny. What all too often emerges is a portrait of the pro-abortion lobby's fantasy version of the legislation, instead of the real deal.

"It’s very sneaky," says Arthur. "[Epp] is trying to rewrite the Criminal Code definition and allow a fetus to be treated as a person."

Which, of course, would be just awful -- that is, if you're a member of the pro-abortion lobby (more on this shortly).

When one examines the entirety of Arthur's complaints -- regarding both the bill and the government -- what quickly emerges is a portrait of an ideologically-constructed fantasy world in which Arthur, and those who share her opinions, are entitle to force their views on other people, often to the detriment of those she was supposed to be trying to help in the first place.

One particular point Arthur is stewing over deals with recent changes to Status of Women Canada -- transforming the organization from one that engages in lobbying, advocacy and research to one that provides funding to actual services for women in their community.

Arthur insists that the move was a blow to women's equality, and was intended as such -- despite the fact that the moves were largely managerial in nature. For example, the closing of a number of regional offices -- rendered less necessary by the access granted through the organization's website -- freed up $5 million for community-level services and support for women.

Arthur's objection to this really demonstrates a purely ideological view of how women's equality can be achieved, and what that represents.

To individuals like Joyce Arthur, women's equality demands that women be treated as equal in all respects, even in situations where they may not be. Certainly, women should be considered equal in all formal aspects -- and according to the letter of the law, they are.

But there's a difference between legal equality and practical equality. The test case for this always seems to be a hiring process wherein a man and a woman are competing for the same job. The principle of formal equality insists that, the two being equal in practical respects -- skills, capabilities and experience applicable to the job, the man should not be hired over the woman by simple virtue of being a man (nor should the woman be hired over the man by simple virtue of being a woman; this should go without saying, but all too often, is left unsaid).

However, if the man's skills, capabilities and experience exceeds the woman's, it should absolutely not be considered discriminatory to hire the man over the woman.

What ultimately emerges is a rather simple fact: legal equality is not necessarily practical equality.

The funding changes to the Status of Women that Joyce Arthur opposes, meanwhile, provide for many such things as job and skills training for women, to make them more competitive in the job market. If one favours practical equality between men and women, this is something they should certainly support.

If one favours legal equality over practical equality -- or believes that a woman's qualifications shouldn't have to match or exceed that of a man's in order to be hired over him -- than one would certainly oppose the changes. But it could be considered quite ironic that a group so preoccupied with equality would want to advance such a comparatively hollow definition of the concept.

They also seem to have a fairy-tale imagination for what such equality would mean for women -- that it would represent some sort of magical panacea for women, protecting them from all forms of violence so effectively that no further legislation would ever be necessary to help protect them.

"Ensuring women’s equality will go a long way to making them more safe," Arthur insists. "If the woman is safe, however we do that—through social supports or whatever—then the fetus is going to be safe too."

But Arthur reserves her finest vintage of rhetoric for espousing the threat that recognizing any fetal rights would allegedly pose to women's rights (actually a threat to Arthur's ideologically-driven world view).

"The bill basically gives fetuses a form of personhood," says Arthur. "It’s giving them a separate status apart from the mother, and the moment you do that, whatever else you say about that, you are setting a very dangerous precedent."

Dangerous for the pro-abortion lobby, perhaps. The distinct challenge posed by the concept that unborn children should have rights has been detailed elsewhere, but reiteration is necessary.

The recognition of the scientific fact that an unborn child -- or fetus, as preferred by the pro-abortion lobby -- very much is human life represents a devastating threat to the pro-abortion lobby's characterization as "nothing more than a clump of cells".

If one recognizes an unborn child as human life -- as more and more people are -- it becomes increasingly apparent that Canadian law needs to put measures in place to help protect it.

Furthermore, the implications of the pro-abortion lobby's attempts to dehumanize unborn children become more and more apparent, as the organization's own rhetoric begins to undermine it. The house of cards built on the fundamental principle that that unborn children are not human quickly collapses.

Of course, there are, as Arthur herself notes, portions of the criminal code that explicitly define an unborn child as "not a person". This is established both by Section 223 (1) of the Canadian Criminal Code, wherein it reads:

"When child becomes human being
223. (1) A child becomes a human being within the meaning of this Act when it has completely proceeded, in a living state, from the body of its mother, whether or not

(a) it has breathed;

(b) it has an independent circulation; or

(c) the navel string is severed.
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Then again, Canadian law once failed to recognize women and ethnic minorities as people, too. The explicit and counter-scientific establishment of unborn children as not human beings is no less an injustice, but unfortunately for the pro-abortion lobby, it's an injustice they're interested in perpetuating, not resisting.

Unfortunately, Arthur does have some allies in her ideologically-driven quest to deny unborn children what is indisputably already theirs by virtue of simple biology.

"In my almost 40 years in the women’s movement," said former NDP leader Alexa McDonough. "I have never had a single woman, a single advocate, a single representative of a single organization or an individual family member come to me and say this is a law they would like to see implemented."

Of course, it's unlikely that McDonough would tolerate her staff allowing any woman who did favour such a move through the front door. The hostile treatment by left-wing women's groups of organizations such as REAL women, or of individuals such as Mary Talbot -- the mother of the slain Olivia Talbot and grandmother of Lane Talbot Jr, and supports Bill C-484 -- is evidence enough of that.

The more one examines Joyce Arthur, the more sorry one feels for what the so-called "women's movement" has become. All too often, an extremely exclusive club of like-minded individuals. As some individuals have noted, membership in the so-called "women's movement" has all too often become more about what politics one believes in than what gender they belong to.

But that's another story for another time.

The women's movement has foresworn its time-honoured legacy of resisting social injustice. The same lack of personhood that was once vehemently rejected as it regarded women is now equally vehemently embraced as it regards unborn children.

And all the while, Joyce Arthur clicks her ruby slippers together telling herself "there's no place like home, there's no place like home". Sadly, not even the Wizard of Oz can give individuals like Arthur the courage to face legitimate challenges to her ideology, the intelligence to recognize they need to do so -- in cooperation with of all the people who favour legalized abortion (this author included) -- or heart enough to care.

Better to live in an Oz-like fantasy world.

Tuesday, March 25, 2008

How Will We Meet the Challenges of Fetal Rights?

Fetal rights may be necessary, but the concept raises important questions

Today, the Christian Feast of the Annunciation has been declared the International Day of the Unborn Child.

Today, activists the world over are agitating in favour of fetal rights.

In Canada, in particular, the law has yet to recognize unborn children as having any form of rights. Despite the indisputable fact that an unborn child -- or a fetus, as the pro-abortion lobby prefers -- is human life, a fetus has no forms of human rights.

While some individuals in Canada are working to try and change this particular state of affairs, many others are stringently defending the status quo, insisting that, despite the fact that an unborn child is still human, until birth it is only "a clump of cells" and can be aborted at the mother's whim at any stage of development.

In particular, issues regarding late term abortions have raised the importance of addressing fetal rights -- more importantly, questions regarding at what stage of development they should be granted.

Of course, the very concept of fetal rights raises some important questions that simply must be answered. Unfortunately, many of those in favour of fetal rights may or may not want to address them -- just as their opponents don't want to address the questions that reveal why fetal rights are, in fact, so necessary.

First off, one has to ask: what effect will the establishment of fetal rights have on a woman's right to obtain an abortion?

The answer among anti-abortion activists -- who most certainly make up a significant portion of the pro-fetal rights lobby -- is fairly obvious: it will force legislators to ban abortion outright, consequences be damned.

Unfortunately for these individuals, they clearly have not thought the consequences of such an act through -- or, moreover, have thought them through, and have simply chosen to disregard them.

First off, a ban on abortion will not put a stop to it. Women who want (or need, for medical reasons) abortions will still seek them out. The difference is that they'll be recieving these abortions not by qualified medical professionals bound by a hippocratic oath, but by anyone willing to perform them for a lump sum of cash.

The toll of back alley abortions is well known. A return to those days is not anything that social conservatives could possibly want.

We also have to address the issues of pregnancies that pose a health risk to the mother or unborn child. Forcing women to give birth at detriment to their own health clearly does not constitute a just state of affairs. Of course, some women will inevitably choose to give birth despite the risk to themselves. But not all women would make that choice. Using fetal rights to deny them the right to make that choice would frankly be a travesty.

There is also the matter of women who are impregnated in the course of rape. One also has to consider whether or not it would be just to use fetal rights to force a woman to have a child when she did not agree to sex in the first place. Certainly, abortion may not be the best option in this particular case -- that is a matter of individual opinion -- but it should remain an option for these particular reasons.

The debate in Canada over fetal rights currently rages around Bill C-484, which would make those who commit crimes against women who they know or should know to be pregnant also legally responsible for any harm they do to the unborn child.

The argument is that the bill would be used as a back-door attempt to ban abortion (despite the fact that the language of the bill explicitly forbids that).

Bill C-484, itself, however, does raise an important further issue: what would the law have to do about mothers who, knowingly, continue to drink, smoke or do drugs while pregnant, causing harm to their unborn children?

Bill C-484 also forbids charging the mother of the child under the act. However, the precedent set by C-484 -- that unborn children do have rights, would open a new can of worms, perhaps even forcing Canada's parliament to draft legislation to deal with women who, knowingly and willingly, harm their own children by smoking, or consuming alcohol or other drugs. Of course this begs a further question -- why the hell shouldn't they?

Of course they should. But even a bill such as that raises important questions about how to balance the rights of an unborn child with the rights of its mother.

As Claire Andre and Manuel Velasquez note, such a bill could wind up criminalizing women for not following their doctor's recommendations. In cases where fetal alcohol syndrome or other deformities are at stake, this is one thing. But what about matters pertaining to things such as diet? Things such as this pose a serious challenge to how far legislators should go in the definition and defence of fetal rights.

These are the kinds of challenges that fetal rights pose to Canada's legal system. Unfortuantely, one has to wonder whether or not those who support fetal rights are ready to address them.

Monday, March 10, 2008

Like It or Not, Unborn Victims Of Crime Are Victims

Mary Talbot offers even more reason to support Bill C-484

If one were to believe the pro-abortion lobby, Bill C-484 is simply a "back-door" attempt to re-criminalize abortion.

They've gone to protracted lengths to try and argue this, including arguing that, because an unborn child (or fetus, as they prefer) is not legally a person, it cannot be considered a victim. Yet, they seem to ignore the fact that, in the course of a crime, a fetus an be targeted quite deliberately.

Take, for example, the case of Olivia Talbot, an Edmonton-area woman who was murdered by a friend of hers who not only murdered her, but also deliberately targeted Lane Talbot Jr, her already-named-yet-unborn child, "to get the baby," as he testified at his trial.

Yet, despite the fact that one of the intended targets of the murder was the unborn child, the pro-abortion lobby wants to insist that it can't possibly be the victim.

Mary Talbot, Olivia's mother and Lane's grandmother, knows differently -- and she wants to help the criminal justice system recognize that victimizations of the unborn should be addressed. "[Ken Epp] is an MP who is doing something to fight criminal violence, to help protect women and babies, to change the law so that no other grandmother in the future has to go through the grief and insult of being told that the murder of her grandson - that the murder of my darling Olivia's beloved baby, Lane Jr. -- doesn't even register a blip in our criminal justice system."

Mary Talbot isn't alone, either. Consider the case of Gary Bourgeois, a 46-year-old man who slipped his girlfriend a toxic drug through her vagina.

She miscarried her child.

Bourgeois admitted in court that the woman was never his target. His crime was directed at his girlfriend's unborn child. "Many men face an unwanted or unplanned pregnancy, and the message must be clear that they can't take into their hands the destiny of their girlfriends or their babies," said prosecutor Anne Gauvin.

While Gauvin argued that the sentence fit the crime -- many would disagree -- the Bourgeois case, in particular, was a case in which the offender may have known he was going to go to jail, but knew that he wouldn't go to jail for murder.

If it had, he may have considered his premeditated act.

Bourgeois murdered his unborn child. But he was merely charged with aggravated assault and administering a toxic substance and sentenced to a grand total of one year in prison.

The punishment does not fit the crime. While the law may not permit this charge to be laid, the crime was murder.

The pro-abortion lobby argues that the proper way to address situations like this would be to toughen penalties for domestic assault. But if individuals like Bourgeois had to worry about facing charges related to crimes against two victims, the deterrent would be that much stronger.

What, after all, would make a stronger deterrent: a few extra years in jail for crimes against a single victim? Or (providing that consecutive sentencing is instituted) 26 years for crimes against two victims?

This isn't rocket surgery.

Preventing an assault against an unborn child would, by definition, also deter crimes from being perpetrated against the mother.

So for the pro-abortion lobby to argue that Bill C-484 provides no protection to women is nothing more or less than a pure logical fallacy. This is another one of their arguments, and yet another one that they can't support with any evidence.

"It’s bad enough that people would attack a woman, or anybody, but a pregnant woman? They’re so vulnerable," Mary Talbot said. "If it’s known out there that this is even worse, then maybe people will stop and think before they do such stupid, insane things."

So long as it prevents the murder of even a single unborn child, Bill C-484 will have been a success.

As for the pro-abortion lobby? Let them keep forgetting who the victims of these crimes are. 72% of Canadians know better.

Abortion: How Late is Too Late?

Late-term abortions starting to pose a very serious ethical concern

If one were to ask either the pro- or anti-abortion lobbies about abortion, and one would think that there are only two possible positions on the matter: completely unfettered abortion rights, or outright outlawing abortion.

Whenever the abortion debate -- in any form whatsoever -- rears its head in this country, that is the face that it usually wears.

Which is unfortunate, because both extremes are almost equally wrong. And it causes people to overlook important facts.

A recent study on late-term abortions in Britain has revealed just such a fact: in this case, the shocking increase in late-term abortions. And while one extreme side of the debate will do almost anything they can to ignore or obscure the issue, the other side will use it as evidence that abortion must be recriminalized.

During the timeline of the study, it was determined that 3,000 women sought and received late-term abortions. This represented an increase of 44%.

Most disturbing, however, was the percentage of these abortions that was sought for crisis abortions (situations in which concerns for the health of the mother, child, or both): less than 25%.

The rest were sought for "lifestyle reasons". In other words, these were women who simply changed their minds before the 24-week cutoff date for abortions in Britain.

In response, British MPs are planning to adjust the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill so that, if passed, it will impose a limit of 20 weeks on abortion, after which medical concerns would be necessary in order to seek an abortion.

British doctors have raised concerns about sex education. In particular, Dr Trevor Stammers of the Youth Family Concern noted that many women "get the idea it's a trivial matter and as a result they are much more cavalier about presenting to their [General Practitioner] late." He noted that some women seem to think abortions are "like having an appendix out".

Quite unfortunately, a quick persual of some pro-abortion lobbyists can confirm this. (Of course, there's a difference between removing an organ that cannot survive outside of someone's body and aborting a fetus that eventually would, but don't ask them about that.)

Of course, to the pro-life lobby, any limits on abortion is an absolute non-starter. They argue it's all about incrementalism, also known as the "slippery slope" theory -- "if we allow this," they argue, "then they'll take more". "If you give them an inch, they'll take a mile." "Once we start, when will it stop?"

(Ironically, slippery slope arguments are always dismissed as empty sensationalism by the pro-abortion lobby when it's used against them. Don't ask them about that one, either.)

In Canada, where we have no time limits on abortion, this debate is particularly important. Unfortunately, the pro-abortion lobby would rather not have it at all (sometimes they even insist that there is no debate, despite the fact that it's ongoing as we speak).

Unfortunately, Canada's pro-abortion lobby may have one of the itchiest trigger fingers in all of the Western world. Even bills that have no effect on abortion, such as the current Bill C-484 (which applies only to criminal offenses) meet with some of the most virulent and vitriolic responses imaginable.

They simply refuse to have the debate under open or honest terms, and for obvious reasons: the ethical dilemma posed by flippant abortions (such as in Britain) is simply too difficult for them to answer.

(Then again, the anti-abortion lobby isn't any better.)

Of course, criminalizing abortion is an absolute non-starter. Even those opposed to abortion must recognize that there will be abortions regardless of whether or not they're legal, and back alley abortions are the absolute last thing that Canadians should be willing to tolerate in their country. As such, the only way to keep abortions "safe and rare" is also to keep them legal.

But having no limits on abortion, particularly in revelation of Britain's late-term abortion ills, is an absolute non-starter as well.

Canada needs to regulate late-term abortions, regardless of whether or not the pro-abortion (pro-choice is a distortion) lobby throws a shit fit over it.

Wednesday, March 05, 2008

Because God Knows the Pro-Abortion Lobby Has the Only Agenda That Matters...

Bill C-484 going to committee despite pro-abortion lobby's objections

In a so-pitiful-it's-almost-hilarious post over at Canadian Cynic's carnival of hatred, Lindsay Stewart mopes over the fact that Bill C-484 -- the Unborn Victims of Crime Bill -- passed its second reading and is now being referred to a Parliamentary Committee.

According to Stewart, it's not only the end of the world -- it's also the end of Stephane Dion's leadership:

"Sir, while you were absent from the House of Commons today, a vote was held. The vote in question allowed Bill C-484 to pass into committee. Because you saw fit not to whip your party's vote, because it did not interest you sufficiently to attend, your leadership will now come under harsh scrutiny. This Bill is an insult to the intelligence of Canadians and a blatant attempt to undermine the ability of women to maintain the right to bodily self determination and personal autonomy. This Bill is a bald faced attempt to enshrine in law a definition of life that precedes birth and creates criminal precedent for ending that newly defined life. Mr. Dion, while I sincerely hope this Bill is killed in committee, your inaction and abandonment of Canadian women's rights has defeated any faith I might have had for your growth as a leader. You are clearly unfit for the job.

Your seeming fear of holding this minority government to task shows you to be effectively neutered. We desperately need a capable alternative to Stephen Harper and his party. You are not that alternative and the current configuration of the Liberal Party seems ill equipped to take the reigns of government. You are cowed by what should be a weak minority and Mr. Harper has routinely rolled over you and faced no resistance. Mr. Harper is remaking this nation in his own image and you are allowing him to do so. You are either cowards or fools but you have shown no will to fight and no vision worth fighting for.

Mr. Dion please step down. This nation will not elect you Prime Minister. You are a non-entity, a milquetoast and a flop. The Liberal Party might as well appoint a traffic cone to the leadership. At least people will take notice of a traffic cone. As for the members of the Liberal Party who saw fit to vote for the travesty that is Bill C-484, you will not be forgotten come the next election cycle. The simple fact that while Mr. Harper's minority government is embroiled in scandal upon scandal, the polls refusal to shift in support of the Liberal Party should be informative. You have lost the confidence of Canadians. Shape up sir, or get out of the way.
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Certainly, it's heady stuff. Apparently, Dion's decision not to go quietly (or even not-so-quietly) along with the pro-abortion lobby's agenda on this particular bill makes him unfit to leadership, and he should step down.

Hooooooooo boy...

Aside from the slavish reiteration frantic and previously disproven talking points, it would seem at least part of the issue actually has to do with the wide variety of parliamentarians who voted in favour of the bill. Notably, not just Conservatives.

Liberal MP Sukh Dhaliwal, NDP MP Peter Stoffer and Independent MP Andre Arthur are among those who voted with the Conservative caucus in favour of the bill. Particularly notable was Liberal MP Albina Guarnieri -- a female MP.

All in all, 27 of 94 Liberal Members of Parliament voted in favour of Bill C-484 -- that's nearly 30% of their caucus.

Perhaps what is most disturbing about the pro-abortion lobby's stance against Mr Dion -- as well as NDP leader Jack Layton -- is their demand that they whip their caucuses in opposition to this bill. The idea that Dion and Layton should feel obligated to force MPs to vote against their conscience on -- whether the pro-abortion lobby will admit this or not -- a justice issue is a little bit terrifying.

The pro-abortion lobby likes to brag about how it at least thinks it holds all the cards. The idea that they feel they have the right to dictate the public agenda, even against public opinion (an October 2007 Environics poll determined that 72% of Canadians favour making the murder of an unborn child a criminal offense) is, quite frankly, frightening.

After all Canada is supposed to be a democracy. If 72% of Canadians favour Bill C-484 they certainly have the right to at least see it go to committee, where any potential kinks can be worked out (or, conversely, the bill can be shelved if such problems cannot be resolved).

Unfortunately, the most extreme demagogues within the pro-abortion movement seem to feel they have the right to force their agenda on Canadians.

Fortunately, they've failed thus far. But the battle isn't over. Those of us who are willing to see this vital piece of criminal justice legislation through to fruition must take the fight to these demagogues.

Tuesday, March 04, 2008

The Orwellian Logic of the Pro-Abortion Lobby

"Please pay no attention to the facts behind the curtain"

As the rescheduled debate regarding Bill C-484 (the Unborn Victims of Crime Bill) approaches, there seems to be a last-minute panic spreading through the pro-abortion lobby that are so determined to defeat the bill, as they seem to recognize that their talking points simply aren't up to snuff.

In the latest attempt to convince people to oppose the bill, the argument seems to be that the bill would somehow result in convicted offenders serving shorter sentences.

Unfortunately for the pro-abortion lobby, however, this particular assertion simply isn't true.

In the most bizarre example of the counter-factual nonsense being forwarded one particular blogger suggests that a recent suggestion by Conservative MP Tom Lukiwiski that consecutive sentencing be reinstituted alongside Bill C-484 as evidence that the bill isn't really about justice, and is merely an attempt to recriminalize abortion (despite the fact that the bill only applies to criminal offenses, and doesn't introduce any new crimes).

But do these people really understand the difference between consecutive sentencing and concurrent sentencing? Obviously not.

Even under concurrent sentencing, it turns out that this latest talking point from the pro-abortion lobby turns out to be flagrantly false. The Public Safety Canada website turns out to be very educational.

Under Bill C-484, the crown would retain the option of charging an offender separately for the crime committed against a pregnant woman and the harm done to her unborn child.

Under concurrent sentencing, convicted offenders serve both sentences at the same time. However, if sentenced for two offenses on which they were tried separately, the second sentence doesn't take effect until the date of the conviction.

The case study offers an example of an offender convicted for one offense, receiving a three-year sentence, then is convicted of another offense two years later, extending their sentence thusly:


As such in this particular case the offender would wind up serving a five-year sentence as opposed to merely a three-year sentence:


Note that this is a longer, not shorter, sentence.

In the case, specifically, of consecutive sentencing, the case turns out much differently:


The second sentence doesn't begin until after the first has expired, guaranteeing a much longer sentence regardless of how soon the offender was tried and convicted:


As such, not only is the most recent talking point from the pro-abortion lobby counter-factual, it's also a phantom of straw man arguments from days gone by, when it was suggested that instituting consecutive sentencing would increase support for capital punishment, when all the evidence suggests that consecutive sentencing decreases support for capital punishment.

But thus is the Orwellian logic of the Canadian pro-abortion lobby. Why would Bill C-484 result in shorter sentences for convicted offenders? Because the pro-abortion lobby says so, regardless of whether or not that's actually true.

Just as with the rather peculiar claim that the suggestion that Canada institute consecutive sentencing provisions in the criminal code is somehow proof that Bill C-484 is about abortion rather than justice, or with claims that pregnant women in the US have been charged under fetal homicide acts despite the fact that this has never happened. Why is it so? Because they say so.

It's rather characteristic of those who, in true Orwellian fashion, bank on the ignorance of the public.

Hopefully, the Canadian public will turn out to be a good deal less ignorant than the pro-abortion lobby is banking on.

Monday, February 25, 2008

Countering the Blog Burst on the Fetal Homicide Bill

It could be said that nothing is more infuriating to unreasonable people than reasonable ideas.

That very thought has become thematic today as a number of pro-abortion bloggers have staged a blogburst in order to denounce Bill C-484, the Unborn Victims of Crime Bill, which will be up for debate -- and a vote -- in the House of Commons this week.

Various pro-abortion activists have been bending over backwards in order to denounce the bill.

The arguments have been somewhat predictable. They argue that the bill won't protect women or unborn children. First off, they argue that this is merely a "back door" attempt to recriminalize abortion, and is thus an attack on women's rights.

But is it really so?

Well, first off, these people have clearly forgotten the law's role as a deterrent. Certainly, no law will deter all crimes, but so long as it deters even one, it has served this role.

As it pertains to abortion, the bill explicitly states that it only applies in situations where a crime has been committed. Abortion is not a crime in Canada. It's been legal for decades. So on this count alone, this particular talking point is simply counter-factual.

So clearly, the objection to the bill really can't be about abortion. It may be an excuse to push abortion as an issue to the forefront for political gain, but it's really about something else.

This seems to be revealed by the argument that the bill is an attack on women's rights. This particular point seems to intersect directly with their objection to granting "legal personhood" -- or any form of rights whatsoever -- to unborn children, or "fetuses", as the pro-abortion lobby prefers.

But is it really so? Can rights for unborn children really only come at the direct expense of their mothers, or is this merely frantic demagoguery from the pro-abortion lobby?

Well, first off, never before in history has it truly been the case that granting rights to one particular group of people has come at the expense of another group's rights.

For Canada to suddenly take this particular stance would actually have negative global implications for the advancement of human rights.

If one were to take Michael Ignatieff's word for it, Canada is a global innovator in the language of human rights. The United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights was based largely on the kind of human rights language predominating in Canada.

Canada's human rights language has always been largely progressive in nature. But it's largely progressive in nature because it concedes that human and civil rights are not a zero-sum game. In other words, it was recognized that advancing the rights of particular groups did not come at the expense of other groups.

While agitation in favour of rights has been necessary from time to time, the advancement in the rights of women, aboriginals, homosexuals and other minority groups has not come at the expense of others.

Perhaps that is the greatest perversity of the insistence on behalf of pro-abortion activists: that unborn children (or fetuses, as they prefer in the language of dehumanization) cannot have any rights without damaging women's rights.

Women's suffragists never insisted their right to vote had to come at the expense of men's rights. Nor did Dr Martin Luther King and those who fought with him in the civil rights movement suggest that their rights had to come at the expense of white Americans' rights. Those agitating in favour of gay and lesbian rights ever would have dreamed that their rights would come at the expense of other Canadians' rights.

Furthermore, these groups have been granted equal (and in some cases, more than equal, but still appropriate) rights, which have never come at the expense of another group. History itself bears out the fact that human rights are not a zero-sum commodity.

So why is it that the pro-abortion lobby insists that the rights of unborn children (or fetal rights, as they would insist) can only come at the expense of women's rights, even to the point where they suggest that crimes of violence perpetrated against them should go unaddressed by law?

Never in human history have human rights (or any other progressive cause) been advanced by refusing to prosecute criminals for the crimes they commit. Never in human history have human rights been advanced by failing to seek justice against a criminal because their victim allegedly had no rights.

Truth Commissions in Rwanda, for example, did not decline to pursue charges against Hutu militants because their victims were Tutsis (or "cockroaches" in the parlance of the day). It was recognized that all human beings were human, and all were entitled to justice.

The inverse way of thinking has already written its shameful chapters of history. To allow it to do so once again under the guise of allegedly "progressive" thinking is an offense to progressivism.

But such has become the perversity of the most extreme pro-abortion activists in Canada: apparently their crusade to dehumanize unborn children so that they may do as they wish with them at any stage of their development up until birth has become so single-mindedly dogmatic that they have managed to conjure the audacity to insist that unborn children shouldn't be protected from violence. Moreover, they've managed to conjure the audacity to insist and that those who perpetrate violence upon them (vis a vis perpetrating violence upon the mother) shouldn't be brought to justice.

They've forgotten what it means to be truly progressive, to the extent that they embrace regressive means to advance what have truly become regressive causes.

Even so far as this issue could be argued to have anything at all to do with abortion reveals the increasingly regressive nature of their cause.

What they fail to understand is that law-of-the-jungle abortion (whereby no restrictions are put on abortion in terms of time or method) is no more progressive than the criminalization of all abortion was. Both are regressive in largely the same fashion. As is the opposition to the Unborn Victims of Crime act.

Would reasonable limits on abortion, that fairly balance the rights of both unborn children and their mothers be easy to establish? Certainly not. Would the legal status of abortion be easy to balance against the fact that fetuses very much are human beings? Absolutely not.

Clearly criminalizing abortion is not the answer: it's a demonstrable, historical fact that there will be abortions regardless of whether or not it's legal to have them. The only way to keep abortions "safe and rare" is to keep them legal.

Unfortunately, all too many pro-abortion activists refuse to recognize the need for reasonable constraints on abortion. And just because it won't be easy to determine what constraints would be reasonable doesn't mean it isn't worth the effort.

But "reasonable" has to be the operative word.

Whether the pro-abortion lobby is willing to admit it or not, Bill C-484 is a perfectly reasonable response to the recent rash of attacks on pregnant women and their unborn children.

It really all comes down to the simple, fundamental role of the law: deter crime and, failing that, punish and rehabilitate the offender.

There is absolutely nothing that is unreasonable about that, even if the pro-abortion lobby isn't willing to be reasonable about it.

Thursday, November 22, 2007

I Just Love it When He Gets All Dishonest Like That...

Sniff...

Martin Rayner apparently has a bone to pick with Joanne over at Joanne's Journey.

Quick! Someone alert the press!

This time, however, it has to do with a post wishing success to Ken Epp, who has reintroduced Leon Benoit's fetal homicide bill.

Of course, considering the fact that Bill C-484 is not only designed to not affect abortion laws, and explicitly excludes abortion from the act in question, it seems Marty can't even bring himself to quote the entire ammendment to the bill.

"Quick though… Just at first glance... even as a non-legal type, what’s quite immediately wrong with the proposed amendment to subsection 238.1(1) of The Criminal Code as conceived by the right honourable Ken Epp:

Every person who, directly or indirectly, causes the death of a child during birth or at any stage of development before birth…"

Of course, quoting the entire passage could be a good deal more enlightening; like so:

"Every person who, directly or indirectly, causes the death of a child during birth or at any stage of development before birth while committing or attempting to commit an offence against the mother of the child, who the person knows or ought to know is pregnant..."

Emphasis in boldface mine. It's comforting to know that some things, like Martin Rayner's compulsive intellectual dishonesty, never change.



Update - Looks like someone's mad that I caught him misrepresenting the bill in question.

Sigh.

For the record, Marty: no. I never get tired of picking your idiocy apart. I just wish you'd make it a little more of a challenge.

Folks, feel free to join me in directing a hearty "fuck off, Randy" in the "esteemed" Mr Rayner's general direction.


Update 2 - In the words of Mr Rayner, my "contention that I was being "intellectually dishonest" because I only excerpted the first few lines of the proposed legislation is absurd. Everyone knows what it relates to and what the gist and ostensible purpose of it is. I only did it that way to focus in on the particular wording that I took exception to — specifically, those five words ("at any stage of development")."

Of course we know what the real purpose of the bill is, Marty. It's right there in the section that you omitted from your quotation.

On that note, there's really only two explanations for your omission of the most important portion of the clause in question: you either didn't think people would open the link you provided and read it, or just expected all your readers to be slavish enough enough to stop reading right where you clearly wanted them to (hmmm...).

Martin Rayner just isn't all that hard to figure out. In the words of Donnie Shulzhoffer, this isn't exactly rocket surgery.